Does Church Matter?

Posted by on Oct 2, 2022 in Blog | 5 comments

brown wooden church bench near white painted wall

I’ve just finished teaching a week long intensive called “Denominational Distinctives.” It’s an “all things Baptist” unit – and most of the dozen students who were in the class are well on their way to becoming Baptist pastors. Pleasingly while most make it clear they think the age of denominations is long past and come to the unit a little resentfully, (it’s obligatory if you are to become a Baptist minister), by and large they land up enjoying it. In fact over the years I have taught it, many have said it turned out to be their favourite unit.

How is it that such an unlikely candidate for “my favourite unit” often walks away with the honours?

Answer: While people aren’t interested in denominations, most Christians are interested in the kind of church they would like to see birthed – one that genuinely points to Jesus and helps people grow in their relationship and obedience to him, one that makes a positive difference in the world.

We are not the first generation to have pondered the question of what such a church would look like. After all, if you dive into Baptist history you discover a group who were besides themselves with frustration at the church status quo of their day. The 1555 Peace of Augsburg had reached a religious truce with its decision “whose realm, whose religion” (or, you follow the religion of your ruler – no exceptions). It meant there was a state church – be it of the Catholic, Reformed or Lutheran variety. Which it was depended on the ruler of the state you lived in. Dissent or genuine freedom of thought was not OK, and consequently those who took their faith seriously (usually more seriously than their ruler) ran into a fair few problems.

The early anabaptists interpreted the Bible’s teaching on baptism to mean that you should only be baptised after you came to a personal faith in Jesus, and therefore baptised people after their conversion. They were accused of re-baptising (for those being baptised had been baptised as infants), an act which was considered both heretical and treasonous. A fair few were drowned with the crowd chortling, “if they want water, they shall have it.” Many others were imprisoned for lengthy periods. Such passion and such commitment to a cause few pay attention to today.

While there is some dispute as to who the early Baptists were (the 16th century Anabaptists or the 17th century English Separatists), both groups were insistent that a church should be a “believers church” – one where all those who were members were in covenant with each other and would see the journey of discipleship through, be that through supporting the families of those who had been imprisoned for their faith, or helping financially if members couldn’t find employment because they were considered heretics or… the list went on and on. This was no token commitment to each other – no “well I’ll see you in a month of two when I next have a free Sunday and can make a church service – that is, if it’s one of the weeks you also attend, and that’s not very likely.” Let’s face it, few local churches see themselves as being made up of people who have covenanted themselves to each other. Attenders are there because the church currently ticks enough of the music, children’s ministry, youth work or preaching boxes, and if it stopped doing so – well there are others who do, so catch you later. Early Baptists would have been appalled. They didn’t consider church to be about my preferences… after all, did they really prefer to be thrown into jail or to face punishing social ostracism?

In her book The Great Emergence, Phyllis Tickle suggests that about once every 500 years the church faces change of momentous magnitude – be it around 500 with the fall of Rome, 1054 with the Great Schism between the church in the East and the West, the Protestant Reformation of 1517 or now. She likens such an era to a giant garage sale, where we have to decide what really matters and must be held on to, and what can be sold off. With the proceeds of the sale, what new things could and should be added? It’s a fascinating question. The class dived into it with gusto. They didn’t always see things the same way, but they were pretty firm on this. The early Baptists were right. The church needs to be made up of genuine disciples – people firmly committed to following the way of Jesus – even if the music is lousy, the time inconvenient, and the congregation a tad unusual. And we need to enter into the ministry and witness of our local church with all our heart… and hey, if that sounds a little much, don’t worry. No one is likely to drown you or to throw you into jail; so if you complain too loudly, don’t expect early Baptists to smile back sympathetically.

As always, nice chatting…

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  1. “The early Baptists were right. The church needs to be made up of genuine disciples – people firmly committed to following the way of Jesus…” True. But most, if not all, congregations are a mix of people with varying degrees of commitment to Jesus. And each church is as financially dependent on those with a lower level of commitment to Jesus as it is to those with a higher level of commitment to Jesus. So, how do we become churches made up of genuine disciples – firmly committed to following the way of Jesus?

    • Fair comment Peter. It’s a real issue. I’m not sure it’s about keeping more nominal people out but perhaps it requires those who are Jesus followers to be willing to step up in a whole new way and to be the “church within the church” – an inner core closely covenanted together and fully committed to the mission of the local church and beyond.

  2. Jesus got very grumpy with the church leaders of his day, saying: “You charlatans! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: ‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching human teachings.’” (Matthew 15:7-9 see also Mark 7:6-8)

    Yet, so much of what is taught in our churches today is just human teachings. And sometimes this is done, not from the pulpit, but through unquestioningly following rituals and traditions. Do we teach our congregations that God wants us to put most of our financial and human resources into holding church services in church buildings? Yes. We do. Is this a purely human teaching? Yes. It is.

  3. Another thoughtful piece, Brian. I read somewhere that people who attend megachurches in the Unite States turn up about one every six weeks. I was at a conference a few years ago where a speaker from one of those megachurches said their people attended about once every three weeks. I suspect this is evidence of our consumer-oriented culture. Yes, we ought to be committed to our local church. I do wonder though if we don’t risk jail if we say too much about what we believe. I think holding a classical (historical) Christian worldview might be a bit dangerous in Victoria and Tasmania these days.

    • Thanks Rod. Always good to hear from you. While some of our freedoms are not as generous as they once were, I guess the historical dive reminds us that when you remember what some of our forebears went through (if they want water, they shall have it), you realise we still have so much to be grateful for.


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